Notes from Pennsic XXXVII

topic posted Tue, August 12, 2008 - 12:38 PM by  Jacques
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Overall this was one of the more memorable Pennsics drumming-wise for me.

I brought my friend and mentor Simon Jaeger this year. He hadnt been to Pennsic since XXVII. He found it to be a life changing experience (again). We rocked every night the entire first week at Vlad's.

Donovan made his second trip to Pennsic. I can't say how much I man-love this guy. Zany, whacky, and an awesome musician, he made playing and just hanging out each night a treasure.

Nevik, playing with you at the Hoity Toidy was the high point for me. You are such an incredible drummer, and getting to ride shotgun on your riffs made me feel very good about my own progress as a drummer. Our drums were perfectly in tune and sounded fantastic... and I barely screwed up! That's a memory that figure prominently with me the rest of the year.

Liam showed up late but made the days he was there really count. I so much enjoy playing with this rock star. Just wish I coulda done more of it.

August graced us with his presence this year. That guy can really play the accordion. I hope he makes it next year.

Swabere? Swabere? Miss you man....

Leonardo, you seriously need to get your act together. I have dubbed you 'The Drum Circle Assassin". You come into the cirlcle, you get the beat and rhythyms fine, but then you crescendo and accelerando until the entire circle crashes.. Repeatedly!!! I literally almost left the Rogues party due to your behavior, several dancers and drummers did. I believe you can do much better, you just need to learn some discipline and self control. Also, please do not pick up and play a drum without asking its' owner, that's common courtesy in these parts.

On Davuls/Tupans... Lets just say more than 1 or 2 at a party is superfluous and detrimental. Nine friggin tupans is simply assinine. My general impression of the guys (although not all) with the big drums was that they were not interested in reciprocal musical interaction, it was more like "Look at me, ma!" I see very little difference between this behavior and that of the "djembe cowboy" from days of yore (days I thought were thankfully past). It takes no talent to get the biggest, loudest drum you can find and wail on it to the exclusion of everything and everyone else. Also, the guys standing up and playing the big drums need to really be considerate of the guys sitting down playing the small drums. Sound pressure level and position at one party left me nearly deaf for half a day.

I saw more riqs this time around than I ever have at Pennsic.. yay!

Noticed that more people are *actually tuning* their drums.. yay x2!
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  • Re: Notes from Pennsic XXXVII

    Tue, August 12, 2008 - 3:16 PM
    Yep, pretty much what you said! : ) I, too, had some fun times jamming with Nevik (and Carmine, too). Had a blast rockin the riq (actually, a Cooperman Hajira, but whatev) at Vlad's one amazing evening about mid-war (Casey and I were riq-a-licious!!). You can head-bang, jump, and dance while playing a riq!!! Wooo-hooo! Most of my drumming fun happened during the first half of war. After that it got a little loud and crazy. I always enjoy playing at the Casa...it's nice to be able to hear melody with a few talented percussionists having fun with it.

    Yep, I agree...Donovan is a cool cat. Is he on here? If not, he needs to be.
  • Re: Notes from Pennsic XXXVII

    Tue, August 12, 2008 - 4:45 PM
    Yeah I had the pleasure of meeting Donovan at Hedgehog at the first Wed party followed by later on at Vlads the same evening. Im sure you were there too, but I don't know your face.

    Also agreed on the thunderdrumming. I brought a small djembe out with me, could barely even hear my own sound over the big drums.

    Had a blast at the drum circle at Ravenspittle when the firedancer was performing on the bridge. Also enjoyed myself at Bardicchi's (sp?) Sunday night after sinking into the ground at Springwood/Pandora's Box party. By Monday I was burnt out on drumming and mostly hung out at parties or did my bardic thing.

    Playing mideastern melodies at the Lost Boys last Saturday party was fun too until the combination of rain and bagpipes told me to call it a night =)
  • Re: Notes from Pennsic XXXVII

    Tue, August 12, 2008 - 8:02 PM
    merh. I got a Davul/Tupan this year, and I liked trying to just keep the base beat. I generally don't go crazy soloing or anything so it's kinda nice to be a little more influential then one of the 30 dumbek's in the circle. Just keeping the beat while you have people like nevik and sam going crazy on top of the beat is fun, especially since it's easy to get lost with all their strange rythems and such, so it's a challenge.
    Granted though, sometimes when several of us got together, it was kinda really fun to rock out on them. We tried to give over and not play any more then 2 or 3 songs becasue other's deserve a chance to rock too, but you know it's fun to let loose and rock out sometimes too. Rogues was strangely messy., I personally was having an off night and lent my davul to sam to let him rock out. Funny enough I knew more people who had issues with the slaps and pops of some dumbek's and less problems with the low sounds of the davul.

    p.s. If you hear the pennsic hip hop beat somewhere in the distance you can find leonardo.
  • Re: Notes from Pennsic XXXVII

    Mon, August 18, 2008 - 7:16 PM

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    Notes from Pennsic XXXVIItopic posted Tue, August 12, 2008 - 12:38 PM by Jacques

    Overall this was one of the more memorable Pennsics drumming-wise for me.

    I brought my friend and mentor Simon Jaeger this year. He hadnt been to Pennsic since XXVII. He found it to be a life changing experience (again). We rocked every night the entire first week at Vlad's.

    Donovan made his second trip to Pennsic. I can't say how much I man-love this guy. Zany, whacky, and an awesome musician, he made playing and just hanging out each night a treasure.

    Nevik, playing with you at the Hoity Toidy was the high point for me. You are such an incredible drummer, and getting to ride shotgun on your riffs made me feel very good about my own progress as a drummer. Our drums were perfectly in tune and sounded fantastic... and I barely screwed up! That's a memory that figure prominently with me the rest of the year.





    Leonardo, you seriously need to get your act together. I have dubbed you 'The Drum Circle Assassin". You come into the cirlcle, you get the beat and rhythyms fine, but then you crescendo and accelerando until the entire circle crashes.. Repeatedly!!! I literally almost left the Rogues party due to your behavior, several dancers and drummers did. I believe you can do much better, you just need to learn some discipline and self control. Also, please do not pick up and play a drum without asking its' owner, that's common courtesy in these parts.


    Ouch, this sounds serious
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    Re: Notes from Pennsic XXXVII

    Tue, August 19, 2008 - 6:50 PM
    I had a good time drumming this pennsic... although I think I danced more than I drummed this year.

    Whoever that guy is with the short dreads who plays the djembe and was at the house three skulls party was a lot of fun to play along with. It was nice just to have a loose jam going without worrying about which assorted named pattern was being used and at the same time more variety than your standard 4/4 beats.

    I agree about the obnoxious use of the Davul/tupan. They can be such cool useful drums when used well, but I was about ready to kill someone when they kept tripping up the beat while the fire spinners were going. If there is ever a time to keep a steady beat, it would be when there is someone with flying fire counting on that beat being there.
    • Re: Notes from Pennsic XXXVII

      Tue, August 19, 2008 - 8:52 PM
      I missed the 3Skulls unfortunately. But sounds like Sogbety?
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        Re: Notes from Pennsic XXXVII

        Wed, August 20, 2008 - 5:33 AM
        You may be pleased to know that there were probably around 13 tupan/davul players that attended my class at Pennsic. All of them were very solid on meter and did a great job at sounding like one drummer. They took being the foundation very seriously and it showed. A couple of people who also play the big drum didn't attend, which is unfortunate, as both of them have serious meter problems and could have benefited from the exercises. We covered dynamics, meter/timing, tones, and various exercises to develop skills in each of these. At no point was it loud. :-)
        • Re: Notes from Pennsic XXXVII

          Wed, August 20, 2008 - 8:00 AM
          I'd have to say dynamics and tempo changes are the two things I'd love to see more of in drumming at Pennsic. I mean, you can take one rhythm and play it for a half hour without it sounding the least bit boring if you know what you are doing, conversely, if you can't work in these subtleties, it can get old pretty quick. Timbre goes a long way as well.

          One of my disappointments with some of the tupan players I saw was that they didn't seem interested in being foundation, they were doing foundation plus fills plus ornamentation plus breaks plus rhythm changes, in circles that were already large. But then again, this is something that only comes with experience: knowing when "playing less is more". There's so much diiference between playing solo, in a small or a big group, and all that changes depending on your weapon of choice.

          When I got my first djembe and started playing, after a while I learned that "holding it down" was what the good players (and dancers) really appreciated. I was recently informed "Maaaann...When you started playing, I wanted to punch you in the face, but you were too big"..heehee! When my arms get tired, that's were I still go. Just holding down that heatbeat with an occasionall well-placed tek, and maybe every 4th or 8th refrain throwning in a change, creating a framework that all the doumbeks and small drums can run around in, then repeating the cycle, maintaining the whole.... letting that funk grow organically. This is what big drums are great for, or a least that's my worthless opinion.

          Damnit, now I want to go drum and I'm stuck here at work......

          I dont want to work
          I want to bang on the drum all day
          I dont want to play
          I just want to bang on the drum all day

          Ever since I was a tiny boy
          I dont want no candy
          I dont need no toy
          I took a stick and an old coffee can
          I bang on that thing til I got
          Blisters on my hand because

          I dont want to work
          I want to bang on the drum all day
          I dont want to play
          I just want to bang on the drum all day

          When I get older they think Im a fool
          The teacher told me I should stay after school
          She caught me pounding on the desk with my hands
          But my licks was so hot
          I made the teacher wanna dance
          And thats why

          I dont want to work
          I want to bang on the drum all day
          I dont want to play
          I just want to bang on the drum all day

          Listen to this
          Every day when I get home from work
          I feel so frustrated
          The boss is a jerk
          And I get my sticks and go out to the shed
          And I pound on that drum like it was the bosss head
          Because

          I dont want to work
          I want to bang on the drum all day
          I dont want to play
          I just want to bang on the drum all day

          I can bang that drum
          Hey, you wanna take a bang at it?
          I can do this all day

          ]:P
          • Re: Notes from Pennsic XXXVII

            Wed, August 20, 2008 - 10:38 AM
            Word on just holding down the beat.

            Frankly, I *like* holding the beat. To me, it's a challenge because I get all excited hearing what everyone else is playing *over* my beat. It's difficult to hold that tempo as everyone else is going crazy.

            I'm perfectly content at this stage in my "drumming life" to lay down a solid beat and hold it for others to play *over*.
  • Re: Notes from Pennsic XXXVII

    Thu, August 21, 2008 - 10:34 AM
    "Nevik, playing with you at the Hoity Toidy was the high point for me. You are such an incredible drummer, and getting to ride shotgun on your riffs made me feel very good about my own progress as a drummer. Our drums were perfectly in tune and sounded fantastic... and I barely screwed up! That's a memory that figure prominently with me the rest of the year."

    Huzzah!

    This was my first Pennsic and what an experience. Between Vlad's, Nevik's classes, Ocean and the really great guys he hangs with, drumming after the Middle Eastern Curia and playing with Dave again, drumming with Ishtar at the Moose Lodge Hafla and outside the Inner Vagabond, as well as singing(harmonizing) with August and learning from the Gypsies, being pushed to my limits and beyond by Wolgamut, as well as sitting in with Barducci's pick up band featuring the band Nevik is in, which escapes me right now. The few parties that I was able to get into by matching the beat inside at the door and bringing dancers with me.

    It almost made me feel like a bonifide drummer, but I've got a lot of work in the woodshed to do before someone can call me that.

    The best part was echoing the beat coming from the other side of the lake during the Viking memorial send off. That rocked.

    Thanks to all that made this event one of the highlights of my life. Here's to next year and even more limits pushed and more musicianship.

    Now back to the woodshed...
  • I can't begin to explain how much fun I have had in the lands called Pennsic far down the hill in the fading moonlight. To the people I met and the people that briefly met me I say thanks! Thanks for the awe-inspiring time that will fuel my musical soul for the year to come and ensure it’s arrival on the Serengeti once more.

    I truly enjoyed each circle I sat with save one which is an amazing feat. I learned so many things from both the fantastic and the aspiring (never think a new drummer can’t teach you something new ;)

    My days twelve went by in a blur; waking up at 10am, teaching at noon, and then working in the drum shop Marrakech until 9pm. Countless trips to the Chinese food shop on the corner to feed the evviiil overlord of that perilous tent;) Days spent pushing great sounding and carefully tuned drums. I find it is in my best interest to make sure all around me play great sounding instruments! Afternoons spent catering to those in front of the fans mashing out rhythms and watching over those unattended and often parched and wayward drummers in drummer day care. Then glorious darkness would take hold of the land and I could once again flee merchants row venturing down the hill with half the shop in tow! Finding my way through night after night of music, wonder, comradery and beauty. I lost myself more than once in many circles. Most were large but some small, most loud but many that were pleasantly quiet, some magnificent in their melodiousness and others in their hammering rhythm.

    The best part was that most were attentive and listening to those around them, not just a perceived leader but ALL those around them, there is no other way for such large circles to sound the way they did. The majority of the circle be they wanging away, driving the bus, or going 120 in a 30 all seemed to have the whole in mind at least some of the time, and because of it there were some great jams where the drums got to speak in a melodious way, and those are the moments that I live for at events. Thanks everyone for all that self expression that led to some crazy rocking beats.

    On Davuls/Tupans... I bought one this year too BAAWHAHHWAHAAAHAHAH…. excuse me…..however in the Outlands there are none to be had save at Estrella War and they are strapped to Nevik or perhaps Volgemoot down in merchants row. I finally got to jam on it for the first time this weekend and it was just me a small darbuka and a sitar, man it has so many voices and I could crank it from 1 all the way up to 11! Learned the left hand from Darbuka Dave and a cliff notes version of Nevik’s class and watching him jam with Teribus (cause I was prepping for midnight madness during his class, eviiilll I tell yaJ) . My wife sends her thanks, it was just what she wanted me to bring home, but I softened the blow with a sparkly skirts and gifties from the shop. Jeffery you make a great drum!

    Jacques, thanks for the hospitality and the introductions to so many amazing people. I enjoyed drumming with you, Simon and Angus. I’ll gladly drive the bus for y’all anytime. Some of those jams will stay in my top 5 of all time list for quite awhile I suspect. It was truly a pleasure to meet and jam with Simon, thank you for dragging him along! Vlads is filled with some truly generous and pleasantly outrages people, drumming for Olivia and Maria during the Slave Auction is one of the many heights of war had at Vlad’s.

    I look forward to next year as I concentrate on today until tomorrow becomes today, and so on……until the night I once again find myself in the radiance of Pennsic by the lake under the new moon with old friends.

    Good Times……….

    Safe Travels until then!

    P.S. Come to Estrella War!
  • Re: Notes from Pennsic XXXVII

    Wed, August 27, 2008 - 11:28 AM
    "Noticed that more people are *actually tuning* their drums.. yay x2!"

    Tuned in what sense? Tuned equally around the head? Tuned to each other? Tuned to a certain scale? In the same key as the melody?

    Pardon my ignorence, but I'm not sure what that means. Thanks.

    Dave
    • Re: Notes from Pennsic XXXVII

      Wed, August 27, 2008 - 12:50 PM
      Tuned to itself. Every drum has it's own inherent natural pitch (you can hear it when you strike the bell with a hard object). When you tune each of the lugs to this pitch, aside from all the 'teks' being nice and even sounding, you get a harmonically enhanced 'dum', more resonant and powerfull than otherwise possible.

      If I'm playing drums in tandem, say a big djembe and a baby djembe, I might vary from that pitch on one somewhat so that the drums harmonize, usually an octave, fifth or fourth apart.

      At big events sadly, most of the drums you hear are not tuned whatsoever unless the vendor they bought from happened to tune it.
      • Re: Notes from Pennsic XXXVII

        Wed, August 27, 2008 - 5:58 PM
        Thank you Jacques. There are quite a few of us in my area new to drumming and I don't think anyone has ever told us how to tune the drums. I was actually planning to reply to the original post in this thread asking how to tune a drum, but I've been beaten to it. Anyway, thanks for the useful info. I will be sure to spread it around to the other drumming noobs around me.
        • Re: Notes from Pennsic XXXVII

          Tue, September 2, 2008 - 11:46 PM
          If you hold the drum upside down with one hand and strike the bell with the knuckles one your other hand it will give off the target tone. In some it will be very pronounced, and others faint depending on the density of the casting and if it has an inlay coating. If you have never tuned the drum 90% of the time the pitch will be lower than it needs to be as the head is stretched. If you are playing a classic Alexandria style drum and the ring and the body are already touching

          DO NOT TRY TO TIGHTEN!

          This can destroy the threads as the bolts are usually steel and the drum is cast out of varying grades of Aluminum.

          Once they are touching to tune the pitch higher you will need a new head. You can find them in most drum shops. I like the Remo Renaissance style heads. I like them because they have a machined aluminum ring versus the crimped metal ring You can buy them a number of places online. www.wwbw.com carries a number of their sizes.
          You simply need to measure the Major diameter of the casting (where the head fits over the drum, measure after removing the head) Or the minor diameter (the inner diameter) of the head.

          There are tricks to getting the new head on getting the ring into position that does not create a large gap, thus hurting your hands (depending on your technique and style of playing)

          I think we should start a new thread with advice on tuning, I 'm sure people out there know tricks I don't!

          Donovan
          • Re: Notes from Pennsic XXXVII

            Thu, September 11, 2008 - 10:30 PM
            I just got home from my summer travels last week, and I want to thank you all for a great Pennsic!
            Thanks Ocean for your hospitality.
            Thanks to all the camps that welcomed us to play and keep them awake.
            Thanks to Sobety for coming out and sharing his knowledge. That first Dance class was great!
            Thank you 3 skulls again! It's nice to have a night, when I don't have to carry the drums far!
          • Re: Notes from Pennsic XXXVII

            Sat, September 13, 2008 - 8:35 AM
            Yes, please a thread on tuning would be excellent. :)
            • Re: Notes from Pennsic XXXVII

              Sun, November 2, 2008 - 7:46 PM
              Ok, I've just made it here!

              Thanks to everyone who shared their time and friendship and advice and good nature and music and dance and themselves with me and my extended family at Marrakech and at your camps and parties.

              I treasure you all. Pennsic is a salve for my soul, and it is only becuse of the fine people who I meet there.

              Until we meet again!

              Your friend in music, laughter, and dance!

              Ocean

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